Shenmue 3 [+ Enhanced]

klar, ist es bei so einem game relativ sinnlos. ging mir eher darum, dass das im endeffekt heisst, so gut wie alle games in der zukunft auf der engine sind dann 30fps, langsamer wird es kaum gehen bei anderen genres.

solange auf anderen systemen die beschränkung dann nicht herrscht, meinetwegen. aber leider gehen die devs ja mittlerweile dazu über, die games auf allen systemen dann in der schlechtmöglichsten version laufen zu lassen (21:9 + 30fps im schlimmsten fall).

was ein glück, das die meisten devs nicht für wiiu entwickeln, dann wären wohl aktuell systemübergreifend bei fast allen sachen 720p + 30fps. .

mal sehen, wann das erste game mit 21:9 und 24fps kommt. marketingechnisch natürlich dann als kinomodus angepriesen.

Zitat von thecixxx

klar, ist es bei so einem game relativ sinnlos. ging mir eher darum, dass das im endeffekt heisst, so gut wie alle games in der zukunft auf der engine sind dann 30fps, langsamer wird es kaum gehen bei anderen genres.

solange auf anderen systemen die beschränkung dann nicht herrscht, meinetwegen. aber leider gehen die devs ja mittlerweile dazu über, die games auf allen systemen dann in der schlechtmöglichsten version laufen zu lassen (21:9 + 30fps im schlimmsten fall).

was ein glück, das die meisten devs nicht für wiiu entwickeln, dann wären wohl aktuell systemübergreifend bei fast allen sachen 720p + 30fps. .

mal sehen, wann das erste game mit 21:9 und 24fps kommt. marketingechnisch natürlich dann als kinomodus angepriesen.

Wie schnell hier manche doch "The Order" vergessen.... Oder das technisch grauenhafte "The Evil within". Gut, da hat man die Letterbox irgendwann weggepatcht, aber die Performance war trotzdem grausig.

Für mich klingt die Aussagen von Suzuki so: Shenmue 3 wird ein PC-Spiel und die PS4 bekommt nur einen lieblosen Port. Zudem was sind das jetzt, auf einmal für übertriebene Hardwareanforderungen, dass die PS4 keine 1080p mit 60 Fps schaffen soll? Wenn er wollte, könnte Shenmue 3 auf einer 10 Jahre alten Grafikkarte laufen und es würde immer noch besser aussehen, als es jemals auf Dreamcast möglich wäre.

frage mich eher wieso die die unreal engine nehmen, die packt die ps4 eh nicht auf einem fetten grafik level. eventuell wäre bei einem game wie shenmue mit einer anderen engine 1080p 60fps möglich gewesen.

die unreal engine braucht schon richtig power wenn es gut und flüssig aussehen soll.

naja, nach der logik müsste ja pong mit der unreal engine 4 auf der ps2 laufen - geht aber nicht. klar verbraten solche sprachen selbst bei den simpelsten sachen haufen ressourcen, gute aktuelle beispiele sind broforce oder auch axiom verge. sind zwar mit unity programmiert und es geht um die vita versionen, aber die hat nicht genug power, um die sachen jetzt darzustellen.

wären diese games in native c++ programmiert worden, wäre das null problem.

Das Problem ist nur, dass ein zu hoher Detailgrad so toll das auch immer sein mag, auch zu höheren Entwicklungskosten führt. Vermutlich könnte Suzuki, mit seinen 6,3 Millionen Dollar dasselbe schaffen für, was er ganze 10 Millionen Dollar braucht.

Zitat von Black Sun

wobei C++ auch nicht gerade das effizienteste ist. Die Sprache ist doch nichtmal das Problem, sondern ehr ein ineffizienter compiler.

c++ würde ich schon aktuell als die referenz sehen, klar muss es dazu auch vernünftig programmiert werden. aktuell wird man aber bei grossen projekten aktuell nach wie vor am effizientesten mit reinem c++ fahren. macht z.b. rockstar so und machen wir uns nichts vor, die games sind schon in der regel eine referenz auf der jeweiligen platform (wenn auch auf konsolen nur in 30fps). klar könnte man da jetzt argumentieren, liegt am buget. aber auch auf der anderen seite "ganz unten" ist c++ das beste in sachen performance, wie man an retro city rampage sieht, das ist auch reiner c++ code.

in der unreal engine werden die meisten komplett über eine blueprint oberfläche programmieren:

https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Eng…ints/index.html

das ist aber nunmal einfach nur schlecht, verglichen mit reinem c++ code, ist ja das ganze forum von voll.

https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php…s-C-performance

"Yeah I feel the same way. I can code, but I don't want to learn c++ because it really feels and looks like a step back. So I am using blueprints instead, which is basically just coding, but sometimes just a lot more inefficient than writing lines of code."

andere sprechen dort sogar von faktor 10:

"I did, and it still doesn't answer precisely, after i posted it i found that a developer or ue4 said it is about 10x faster, but i already posted it, so i would like to know what others have to say, and it will also make the search of other users easier ."

"The overhead will be comparable to any other scripting language. So much slower than C++, but unless you're executing a ton of blueprint code you'll likely not even notice, because far less blueprint code is run compared to C++. Hope that helps.
Cheers, Nick (Epic Games)".

natürlich kann man den scripting kram auch weglassen in der unreal engine, denke aber mal werden die meisten nicht (denn dann könnte man so eine engine ja gleich weglassen und ohne lizensgebühren in c++ coden).

und natürlich braucht ein game wie shenmue keine 60fps, nur was soll ich dann noch von racing oder shooter games erwarten, wenn selbst eine shenmue schlaftablette in der ut engine auf ps4 und co keine 60fps mehr schafft?

The final portion of Shenmue III's crowdfunding campaign expires at the end of December, at which point the game's development budget will be set in stone. Though we are all delighted with the progress being made by Ys Net in these early stages, opportunities to expand the scope of such an important title don't come along often.
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Once introduced as an option to the Slacker Backer campaign, the PayPal component of any upgrade from previous Kickstarter donations will count towards your combined total.

Team Yu staff and those contributing the prizes are not eligible to enter. Dammit.
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Ne Tombola...

Und Yu so:

Shenmue 3 ist nun endlich vorbestellt! Wenn es nur nicht so lange dauern würde bis zum Release.

Jeder weiß, dass Shenmue 3 nicht besser wird als sein wird als seine Vorgänger, wenn nicht sogar ein Komplettausfall wird. Und wie sich trotzdem alle an solchen kack Gewinnspielen festhalten um sichs schön zu reden

Notiz an mich: diesen Beitrag eine Woche nach Release von Shenmue 3 im "Alles Scheiße"-Thread hinter dem ganzen Gejammer zitieren.

[size=8][font='Times New Roman,Times,serif']Hinweis 1 an mich: mindestens einem von den gefühlten 100 Usern aus dem Forum mit einem Ryu-Avatar wird das nicht gefallen.[/font][/size]

[font='Times New Roman,Times,serif'][size=8]Hinweis 2: niemandem anmerken lassen, dass es mir eigentlich völlig egal ist.[/size][/font]

ok

edit@Tommy:

Zitat

Ich mach mir inzwischen eher um die Saber-Rider-backer Sorgen; find's aber eigentlich schon cool, daß noch niemand stresst...

Was isn da los? Poste mal bitte im Saber Thread. Würde mich interessieren.

Garnix ist los u ich hab auch kein "insiderwissen" oder so; wollte niemanden kirre machen, aber es fällt schon auf, daß keinerlei Kommunikation mehr stattfindet, was aber bei dem Zeitraum von afair ca. einem Monat kein Prob sein sollte.

Sorry 4 Pferdescheumaching